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Trailer – Airing Pain 149: Why pain persists: from childhood trauma to faulty immunity

First broadcast 16th May 2025

Shafiq Sikander, a professor of sensory neurophysiology at the William Harvey Research Institute, Queen Mary University, London.

Gareth Hathway, professor of neuroscience at the University of Nottingham’s’ school of life sciences.

Kathleen Sluka, a professor in physical therapy and rehabilitation science at the University of Iowa in the United States.

Transcript made with thanks to the British Pain Society Annual Scientific Conference in 2024.

Transcript begins

Paul Evans: How does acute short-term pain turn into chronic, persistent pain?

Kathleen Sluka: We know that in people with psychological trauma that young ages are more likely to have chronic pain later in life. But what we think is happening – and we’ve done a little bit of this – psychological trauma or some kind of a stressful event, it actually changes your immune system.

Evans: Why do early life experiences affect later life pain?

Shafiq Skikander: A lot of patients with fibromyalgia may have had early life stressors. Or they may often, when they come to clinic presenting with fibromyalgia, they usually have history of depression.

Evans: And do existing tools for measuring pain fall short?

Gareth Hathway: Slowly but surely, our understanding of the basic mechanisms is light years ahead of where it was. And clinically, an appreciation that babies do feel pain, young people do feel pain. It has a long-term consequence. So we can’t just treat them as small adults. We need a specialist approach to managing pain at every part of the life course. We need to think about how we measure that pain and how we treat that pain.

Evans: Find out more in Pain Concern’s April edition of Airing Pain.

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Transcribed by Alisa Anokhina

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This edition of Airing Pain focuses on advances in understanding and managing chronic pain, from neuroimmune mechanisms to new diagnostic and treatment approaches.

In this trailer for AP 149, listen to excerpts from the full program on:
– how does acute, short term pain turn into chronic, persistent pain? 
– Why do early life experiences affect later life pain? 
– And why do existing tools for measuring pain fall short? 

The interviews were recorded at the British Pain Society’s Annual Scientific Meeting, 2024.


Contributors: 

Shafiq Sikander, a professor of sensory neurophysiology at the William Harvey Research Institute, Queen Mary University, London.

Gareth Hathway, professor of neuroscience at the University of Nottingham’s’ school of life sciences.

Kathleen Sluka, a professor in physical therapy and rehabilitation science at the University of Iowa in the United States.


Thanks

The interviews were recorded at the British Pain Society’s Annual Scientific Meeting, 2024. 


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Airing Pain 148 Trailer | Links between hypermobility and neurodivergence

To be broadcast 5th March 2025

Transcript begins

Paul Evans: Do people with neurodivergence experience pain differently to those who are neurotypical? And what’s the link between neurodivergence and hypermobility?

Speaker 2: The concept that everybody experiences pain in the same way has to be thrown out. Because many people with neurodivergence perceive pain in very different ways. For neurodivergent individuals, their pain may well take quite a different shape to that of somebody who’s neurotypical.

Speaker 3: We notice some differences in brain structure that had been reported in ADHD and autism. So we were thinking, what’s the relationship between joint hypermobility and anxiety? It made us think, is there a relationship between joint hypermobility and neurodevelopmental conditions like ADHD and autism?

Speaker 4: I have got autism, I’ve got hypermobility syndrome, I’ve got fibromyalgia, I suffer from chronic pain – none of that was considered alongside my autism diagnosis ‘til I was in my late 50s.

Speaker 5: If you’ve got Ehlers-Danlos, you’re over 7.5 times more likely to be autistic and 5.6 with ADHD.

Speaker 6: I can clearly remember the moment I was officially told I was autistic. I felt a huge weight lift from my shoulders. I’m not weird, I’m not abnormal and there’s nothing wrong with me. And it feels amazing to know this.

Speaker 7: Children who are neurodivergent have strengths as well as challenges, but when a child is distressed because we haven’t met their needs, they’re not going to show us their strengths. They’re more at risk of self-harm, eating disorders, challenging behaviours and emotional dysregulation.

Evans: That’s Pain Concern’s “Airing Pain” on links between hypermobility and neurodivergence, available from the Pain Concern website, painconcern.org.uk, from the 26th of February 2025.

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Transcribed by Alisa Anokhina

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This edition of Airing Pain explores how neurodivergent individuals experience pain, potential links to hypermobility, and the need for better education to support conditions like autism and ADHD.

Neurodiversity refers to the different ways a person’s brain processes information.It is an umbrella term used to describe a number of conditions including Autism or Autism Spectrum Conditions; ADHD; Dyscalculia; Dyslexia; Dyspraxia, or Developmental Coordination Disorder (DCD), and more.

In this episode:

  • Dr. Clive Kelly discusses research on co-occurring conditions in neurodivergence, highlighting varied symptoms and how pain perception differs among individuals.
  • Dr Jessica Eccles talks about her research into the relationship between joint hypermobility and neurodevelopmental conditions like ADHD and autism.
  • We hear from Ren Martin, an autistic learning disability nurse and mother of three neurodivergent children, and Ceri Reid of Parents Voices in Wales, advocating for better neurodiversity and mental health services.
  • Throughout the episode, we hear excerpts from Imogen Warner’s protest letter, which challenges the UK Government’s school attendance campaign and highlights the reality of being a young autistic person.

Contributors: 

Dr. Clive Kelly, Consultant Physician and Rheumatologist, James Cook University Hospital and University of Newcastle-upon-Tyne

Dr Jessica Eccles, Reader in Brain-Body Medicine at Brighton and Sussex Medical School

Ren Martin, neurodevelopmental specialist

Ceri Reid, neurodivergent mother and founder of Parents Voices in Wales

Imogen Warner, student and author of a protest letter in response to the UK government’s School Attendance Campaign

Jane Green MBE, founder of SEDSConnective


Thanks

We are immensely grateful to The British Humane Association and The Heather Hoy Charitable Trust whose generous grants made this podcast possible. 


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At Pain Concern, we’re committed to supporting people living with pain and those who care for them. This past year, we’ve continued to break down barriers to effective pain management through innovation, education, and community. From the ever-growing success of our self-management tools and expanding our pain education sessions to growing our online community and gaining national recognition, we’re proud to share the difference we’ve made together.

Explore our full 2024/2025 Impact Report to see the difference your support has helped us achieve.

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Kai Mason (10) has set himself the impressive goal of completing 24 hours of gaming during the Easter Holidays to raise money for Pain Concern.

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Pain Concern is delighted that Jamie Hunter is taking on a 6okm bike ride from London to Essex, follow his training and show your support by sharing his story, or donating.

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Fundraiser Liz Sharpe ran Brighton 10K in November in aid of Pain Concern after being inspired by how much the charity has helped her friend Vicki Cooper.

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Glenn’s Training Update: Week 9

After months of training, setbacks, recovery, and perseverance, Glenn has completed the Bath Half Marathon! This is a huge milestone on his journey toward his ultimate goal—the Brighton Marathon!

We are incredibly proud of everything Glenn has achieved—not just in crossing the finish line, but in the way he has tackled every challenge with determination, resilience, and honesty.

Bath Race Day Experience: A Lift from the Crowd

Glenn says it best:

“The race went well. The crowd really lifted me. There was such a positive atmosphere, people holding signs and offering out snacks. My hamstring was tight, but I was cautious and kept a steady pace so it wouldn’t worsen. I took some energy gel and my leg miraculously improved! I found it difficult to know how long there was left in the race but kept my head down. Pleased with 2hrs 2mins, though I was hoping for sub-2hrs.”

Overcoming Challenges

Glenn has shown us that training for a marathon isn’t just about the physical preparation—it’s about listening to your body, adapting, and finding strength in the people around you. The Bath Half Marathon was the culmination of months of effort, and we couldn’t be prouder of how he approached every high and low of this journey.

Pushing for a Goal

2 hours and 2 minutes – an incredible achievement! While he was aiming for sub-2 hours, his ability to manage his injury, pace himself wisely, and push through to the end shows just how much strength he has built—not only physically but mentally too.

Next Stop: Brighton Marathon!

Glenn isn’t stopping at the Bath Marathon —this is just one step toward his ultimate challenge in April. The Brighton Marathon is fast approaching, and Glenn is more motivated than ever to take on the full 26.2 miles!

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Glenn’s Training Update: Week 8

This is it—the final stretch! After months of dedication, training, and overcoming setbacks, Glenn is just days away from this momentous challenge: the Bath Half Marathon this Sunday!

Final Preparations for Bath

As race day approaches, Glenn has been stretching his hamstrings to stay limber and keeping fresh with a couple of short 5K runs this week. His training has taken him through highs, lows, and everything in between—but he’s ready for this challenge!

On top of that, Glenn has also been adjusting to a new job as a postie—which means even more walking on top of his marathon prep. Talk about endurance training!

Already a Winner

Glenn has not only trained for this physically but also navigated the daily struggles of life, the mental highs and lows, and the unique challenges of living with chronic pain. We can’t help but be inspired by his tenacity and determination!

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Glenn’s Training Update: Week 7

Family Recharge

This week, Glenn is back from a much-needed break with his family. Spending time with loved ones and enjoying a change of scenery has helped him recharge his batteries, and now he’s ready to take on his biggest run yet – a challenging 20K!

Rejuvenated Training Progress

Glenn is feeling great about his training progress and is keeping up with his daily stretching and yoga sessions to prepare his body for the run.

Refreshed for 20K Challenge

With the Bath Half Marathon scheduled for 16th March, this upcoming 20K is a crucial step on his journey. More than raising funds for Pain Concern, it’s a huge personal achievement for him as he manages his training while living with chronic pain.

After a recharge with family, a smiling Glenn is pictured wearing a Pain Concern t-shirt about to embark on his training session.

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